Thursday, September 24, 2009
Stumped By Stavins
Dan Simmons alerted me to this WSJ article by Harvard's Robert Stavins. Now I respect Stavins, because he blasted the absurd economic analysis that the California Air Resources Board put out on its statewide cap-and-trade plan. So even though he is a proponent of carbon legislation, I think he's intellectually honest.
However, in this recent WSJ piece, he's got two different arguments that seem wrong on the face of them. First let's look at the iffy one:
But now this next one I'm really not sure I follow:
Also, there's the little problem that the CBO report that came out last week said Waxman-Markey would cost the economy anywhere from 1.1% to 3.4% of GDP, by the year 2050. (See Table 1 on page 13 of this pdf.)So I'm not sure how that range translates to "considerably less than 1% of gross domestic product per year in the long run."
However, in this recent WSJ piece, he's got two different arguments that seem wrong on the face of them. First let's look at the iffy one:
Critics argue that we can afford to wait because the world of tomorrow will be wealthier and better able to absorb the costs. But acting sooner, such as by adopting the emission caps proposed in the U.S. House legislation, will lower the ultimate costs of achieving the target, because there will be more time allowed for gradual transition—which is what keeps costs down.OK on the face of it, this is a bit weird. You keep costs down by giving firms more time to comply. But, I think we all get what Stavins is saying. He's got in mind a scenario where firms don't have to do anything for the next twenty years, and they don't anticipate they will ever have caps imposed in the future, and then Glenn Beck's coastal house gets flooded and everyone realizes Al Gore was right. So then the government imposes draconian cutbacks in emissions, and everyone slaps his head and realizes the government should have made the hard choices sooner. OK fair enough, but like I said, you need to assume the part about firms being surprised by the caps, or else it doesn't work.
But now this next one I'm really not sure I follow:
As for how much [the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade] will cost, the best economic analyses—including studies from the U.S. Congressional Budget Office and the U.S. Energy Information Administration—say such a policy in the U.S. would cost considerably less than 1% of gross domestic product per year in the long term, or up to $175 per household in 2020. (That's the cost of one postage stamp per household per day.)If you read it quickly, it sounds like the cost of Waxman-Markey will be a postage stamp a day. But wait a minute, he said (no more than) 1% of GDP per year. Surely the economy (especially "in the long run") will crank out more than 100 postage stamps per household per day. (In 2007 median household income was over $50,000. Note that $50,000 > $17,500.) So Stavins is giving two different answers here, saying (no more than) 1% of GDP in the long run, OR in the short run, the cost will be up to a postage stamp per day. I don't think it's a coincidence that he didn't actually spell out a concrete number, so that the reader could realize just what "1% of GDP" meant.
Also, there's the little problem that the CBO report that came out last week said Waxman-Markey would cost the economy anywhere from 1.1% to 3.4% of GDP, by the year 2050. (See Table 1 on page 13 of this pdf.)So I'm not sure how that range translates to "considerably less than 1% of gross domestic product per year in the long run."
Comments:
Of course, this all takes for granted that the best way to fight the effects of climate change is carbon emission reduction. But there's no real proof of that.
So if we really want to reduce the loss of life or property to climate change, there are some easier and cheaper solutions available. Why is nobody even considering those?
So if we really want to reduce the loss of life or property to climate change, there are some easier and cheaper solutions available. Why is nobody even considering those?
1. Nothing will ever change the minds of the GW worriers. It's a religious thing with them and the great chance to utilize their inner Stalin and control the lives of everyone else on earth. They will never back off.
2. The public, hearing from the media almost nothing but hysterics for a decade, refuses to pay more than $100 per year to fight the impending climate doom with 56% refusing to pay anything. That warms my heart.
2. The public, hearing from the media almost nothing but hysterics for a decade, refuses to pay more than $100 per year to fight the impending climate doom with 56% refusing to pay anything. That warms my heart.
Bob,
I see nothing intellectually honest about a calculating socialist. Judging by his first paragraph he thinks he can calculate subjective utility for other people. He can't.
I see nothing intellectually honest about a calculating socialist. Judging by his first paragraph he thinks he can calculate subjective utility for other people. He can't.
Fair 'nough.
OT: When are you going to tear into Jim Manzi based on my consultancy like you suggested you would via email? :-(
OT: When are you going to tear into Jim Manzi based on my consultancy like you suggested you would via email? :-(
This is a very misleading bit.
Obviously, everything depends on the definition of "long-term". If we mean "long-term" in the business cycle theorists' sense, then 2020 IS the long term. After that, we're dead.
But, for a growth theorist, 2020 is VERY short - we should be looking at impacts out to 2050 at least.
I think the part that makes it so misleading is that people typically assume that short-run effects go away rather than get worse. So, if "already" by 2020, it only costs 1% of GDP, then by 2050 it should be far less. Ends up that the typical assumption is dead wrong in this case.
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Obviously, everything depends on the definition of "long-term". If we mean "long-term" in the business cycle theorists' sense, then 2020 IS the long term. After that, we're dead.
But, for a growth theorist, 2020 is VERY short - we should be looking at impacts out to 2050 at least.
I think the part that makes it so misleading is that people typically assume that short-run effects go away rather than get worse. So, if "already" by 2020, it only costs 1% of GDP, then by 2050 it should be far less. Ends up that the typical assumption is dead wrong in this case.
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